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From Capnbob.us

I was listening to the radio a few days back  it was a show  with Mark Simone sitting in for Sean Hannity ( I’m not the biggest  fan of either) and he was interviewing a tomato. The subject at hand was  Socialized Health Care.

The tomato,  aka Bob Beckle  the very same person  who ran Mondale’s campaign -some say he ran it into the ground but that’s unfair after all Mondale did barely win his own state- regurgitated two points that are at the top of the liberal repertoire of lies.

1) The US has one of the worst infant mortality rate (IMR) .

2) “I had preexisting conditions cannot get health insurance”

Both those topics are easily manipulated by left wing scum bags who rely on sound bite size slogans to feed their lazy and ignorant  minions need for justification of their bigoted anti-American agenda. My readers on the hand are thoughtful educated individuals who care about finding out the truth and therefore will have no trouble understanding how the media and the liberals are misrepresenting these two issues.

The first one, the liberal lie that “The US has one of the worst infant death rate in the world” is the kind of bold face lie that only scum bags like Beckle still spews. The reality is that we have by far the best and highest infant survivability rate in the entire world probably better than France, Italy and  Germany combined.

Here is the how the lie is propagated.

In most European countries  the size of the baby determines if the baby is born alive or stillborn.

Even in most “civilized” European nations such as Germany, Austria and France a live, kicking and screaming baby is reported as still borne, dead, if it weighs under 1.1025 pound ( 500 grams).

Other  European countries , such as Switzerland, require that the fetus must be at least 30 centimeters (12 inches) long to be declared “alive”

In France and Belgium additional RULES require that a baby be at least 26 weeks old to be declared alive.

In less “civilized” countries such as Russia and some of its former satellites the size requirement is 2.205  pounds ( 1000 grams) less that 28 weeks or less than 14 inches ( 35 cm) or failed to survive 7 days. If those conditions were not met the baby was declared still born.

In many countries the death of a 12 month old infant  is just registered as a death of a 13 month old baby and thus no longer part of the IMR.

“Another seemingly paradoxical finding is that when countries with poor medical services introduce new medical centers and services, instead of declining the reported IMRs often increase for a time.”

Further more there is the  deliberate inaccurate reporting  of infant vs. stillborn deaths in most of the world.  If we add to that the exceptionally high rate of abortions performed, even just late term abortions than the picture takes a ghastly turn towards some sort of  Hieronymus Bosch living hell and the EU hospitals can be easily characterized as abattoirs.

Its virtually impossible to get real stillborn rates but its very significant to note that Sweden and Denmark which rank No.3  and N0. 14 respectively in the UN Infant Mortality Rate also has the highest stillbirth rate in Western Europe with over 7 per 100.( That’s 40% higher than even the worldwide rates!)

In Japan which ranks  third int he UN IMR rankings   there is a statistical anomaly regarding the incredibly  high stillbirth rates ( especially the number of female infants reported dead in the first 24 hours ). In 2002 the  Japanese  still birth rate was an astonishing 31 per 1000 which rivals the 32 per 100o recorded in South-East Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa and is over SIX TIMES HIGHER than the worldwide  average
The reported EU IMR rate is 5,72 per thousand  and the US rate is 6.62 per  thousand . Lets do some arithmetic here, sorry liberals I know I’ll lose you here, and see how that adds up. In the us there are a reported approximately 13% of babies born premature ( I have found no data on babies born at term but under EU measurements). If  Japan ranked number three is reduced to a more realistic world wide average of 5 stillborn deaths per 1000 and we add the difference of 26 babies to the official UN IMR rate of 3.4 per 1000 then we get  a total of 29.4 per 1000. Way higher than the 6.2 in the US and in the same neighborhood with Kazakhstan and Indonesia. If we apply the same method to  Sweden and use average EU stillbirth rates then the IMR rate becomes 6.2 per thousand the same as the US.

As you can see I have just given very compelling evidence ,  with a  simple investigation using  publicly available information in less than an hour’s time, that the Infant Mortality Rates as currently published by the UN and WHO are bogus. Why isn’t the UN devoting more time to investigating this? Well we know that answer, the UN wastes no occasion to discredit and belittle the United States but why aren’t the libs doing more to find out the truth? Well, I could post the answer by I don’t like to repeat myself.

Visit with us soon so you can see how we dismantle the second lie that Benkle told : “I had preexisting conditions cannot get health insurance”

http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=6219&type=0
http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2006/07/24/the-lie-about-us-infant-mortality-rates/
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0301211503004500
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_mortality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansley_J._Coale
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=6219&type=0
http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2006/07/24/the-lie-about-us-infant-mortality-rates/
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0301211503004500
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_mortality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansley_J._Coale


  1. Where did you get this information about European infant mortality rates? It is just absolute fabrications. I have lived in half the European countries and I can tell you, babies this small are born everyday and NOT declared dead! I have friends who were premature and are alive and kicking at 30! And by the way, the abortion rate is LOWER in Europe because parents have parental leave and financial support, so they don’t need to abort if the mother is single or the family is in a precarious situation.

    1. First things first. I really hope that you are incorrect in your assessment that the reason for the high US abortion rate is the length of “maternity leave.”
      I am not an expert on maternity leave in Europe but I understand that in Germany it is 14 Weeks compare to 12 weeks in the US and I think 16 weeks in France. Again if its your contention that liberals get abortions because they don’t get an additional 10 days off from work, than my God what a bunch of utter depraved imbeciles they’ve become!
      As far as your anecdotal evidence that you “lived in half the European countries and I can tell you, babies this small are born everyday and NOT declared dead!” …Well that’s too silly a statement to merit a rebuttal, I will direct you to the sites listed below for a quick primer on the issue.

      http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=6219&type=0
      http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2006/07/24/the-lie-about-us-infant-mortality-rates/
      http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0301211503004500
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_mortality
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansley_J._Coale
      http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=6219&type=0
      http://blog.imperfectparent.com/2006/07/24/the-lie-about-us-infant-mortality-rates/
      http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0301211503004500
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_mortality
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansley_J._Coale

      1. Most european countries require, at least partial, if not full, paid maternity leave, while the US does not require companies to pay employees on maternity leave. Being out of work with no pay and still having to pay for insurance for 12 weeks, is difficult. Most Americans can’t afford to be out of work without pay for three months.

        Also wikipedia is not considered a credible source of information.

        1. This is truly an idiotic comment! Name for us all the US states that are not covered by the the Family and Medical Leave Act and thus leave working mothers without insurance? For you Wikipedia would be a gigantic improvement!

        2. Rose,
          Ok, although you will not be able to point out one factual error on anyof the wiki entries noted, it is interesting you did not remark on the cbo reference, you know the SAME cbo you are so proud of for just finding 1 trillion dollars in expense for your health care plan.

  2. ….So while you make a point that there does need to be standardized rules regarding IMR, your analysis was sloppy and completely biased, cherry picking data that was only favorable to your own cause. Moreover your condescending tone alienates those that would like to reach across the aisle and see where in the middle we could meet.

    1. OK here is my side of the isle. Left wing mass murderers from Hitler and Stalin to Saddam Hussein and Kim Jug Whatever have caused the death of over 100 Million human beings and untold misery and suffering of at least five times that many. Further more liberal/leftist social experiments have caused the deaths of additional untold numbers. I consider liberals the enablers of evil on Earth.
      Now lets meet in the middle.

  3. You are absolutely right. Mona Charen had an article on this same issue a few months back. She pointed out the problems with the IMR accounting, also. Additionally, she showed that in cases, like cancer, where survival rates are not subject to the whims of government rules, America leads the world, and Europe compares very poorly.
    Keep up the good work.

  4. Is there a reason each footnote is listed twice? Are you trying to make it look like there are more citations than there really are?

    And if you actually read the footnoted articles that are works of research not opinion they work against you. Even the wikipedia article says “all of the countries named adopted the WHO definitions in the late 1980s or early 1990s, which are used throughout the European union” For example Russia and the other former Soviet republics changed their reporting in the 1990s.

    So the IMR rates are much more comparable than you claim here. The 2006 US News and World Report article many IMR disbelievers cite has been thoroughly discredited.

    Myths? Oh, I see myths all right. They’re posted right here.

    1. So first you accuse me of listing each link twice to bolster my case then you complain that the same links contradict my point. I really fully expect you to believe a US News and World report article on this.

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